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Livejournal Strikeout '07

Rowdy
If you haven't heard yet, Livejournal has deleted tons of journals and communities that are promoting any sort of "illegal" (by their standards) activity. When they delete the user or community, this is the message they owner receives:
"Material which can be interpreted as expressing interest in, soliciting,
or encouraging illegal activity places LiveJournal at considerable legal
risk. When journals that contain such material are reported to us, we must
suspend them. Because LiveJournal's interests list serves as a search
function, and because listing an interest enables other people also
interested in a similar topic to gather and/or congregate, we have been
advised that listing an interest in an illegal activity must be viewed as
using LiveJournal to solicit that illegal activity."


In addition to some of the "guilty" illegal journals and communities that Livejournal has deleted, they have also deleted fanfic communities, rape survivor communities, LBTQA communities, BDSM communities, Harry Potter slash communities ([info]pornish_pixies specifically), Lolita (the MOVIE!) communities and incest survivor communities, just to name a few. They've deleted interests from people's userinfo that has anything to do with any of these practices.

You can read people's reactions to this event on LJ's latest [info]news post, starting on Page 6 and continuing until the comments max out at 5,000 comments. It seems that an organization called "Warriors for Innocence" (Warning: their site is known to contain spyware/adware!) is behind all of this. I will post Warrior's for Innocence's official response to this stuff below under a cut. Check out this post in [info]dark_christian to see how one of the members of Warriors for Innocence is a proud redneck mafia member, loves confederate flags, and states that America has been saving Europe's ass since 1917. What a winner, eh? And Livejournal followed this woman's advice?!?

Personally, I'm disgusted that 1) they didn't give a warning that they were doing this, 2) they're deleting the accounts of otherwise perfectly legal/normal activities, and 3) that Livejournal is just NOW enforcing this rule. They suddenly enforce it now because a watchdog group tells them to? Wtf? I'm beyond pissed, especially since a bunch of these communities are doing nothing wrong, while some communities (like ones that promote anorexia and suicide!) remain undeleted and open. I've been a Livejournal user for 6 years come August, and almost all 6 of those I've been a paid user. I've met my husband on Livejournal and I've met so many of my close friends on here. I just can't believe LJ would do this. Ugh.

If you want to back up your journal in case of deletion/suspension from further LJ abuse attacks, use the latest version of LJArchive. It backs up all your entries and your comments.

Edit One: [info]innocence_jihad is a community created in response to this mess. They're compiling a list of targeted words that LJ used to determine which LJs and communities should be deleted, in addition to posting all correspondences they have with LJ (no official word from LJ yet). [info]liz_marcs has also been keeping up with this drama and has lots of good advice and info about it.

Edit Two, 6:00 p.m., May 30th: While this is from a anti-pedophile blog (so it may not be a complete list), this website has a list of the users and communities that were suspended and deleted.

CNet posted an article about Livejournal's mass deletion: Mass Deletion Sparks Livejournal Revolt. Note that this article was posted BEFORE Livejournal came out with an official statement to its users.

Edit Three, 9:00 a.m. May 31st: Barak Berkowitz, the CEO of Six Apart, used Livejournal [info]news and finally posted an official statement. He isn't coherent in his edits. Is that supposed to make us feel sorry for him? 'Cause I sure don't. He brought this on himself.

Edit Four, 3:15 p.m. May 31st: Barak Berkowitz makes another [info]news post stating that they "have reviewed the journals that have been suspended and are now in the midst of unsuspended about half of them." The class of suspensions that are being reversed are:
1. All Fandom journals
2. All fiction journals
3. All journals who that had problems in their profile only
. He also states that they have "more work to do." and he will "write a post in more detail soon." You better, as you're not out of the hole yet.




Warriors for Innocence's Reponses:

The first one:

LiveJournal – Six Apart Delete Hundreds of Pedophile Sites
LiveJournal Says No to Pedophiles:

Setting a new precedent, LiveJournal, owned by Six Apart Incorporated, deleted over 500 of its sites or journals today. Responding to requests from Warriors For Innocence, LiveJournal chose to remove sites that promote pedophilia, child sex, child abuse, and other illegal activities.

LiveJournal has revised their Terms Of Service (TOS) to include new standards that will ensure that they protect the safety and well-being of everyone who visits LiveJournal.

As pedophiles and their sympathizers scramble to find new hosting options, we will be following them and contacting each web host in order to work to enforce a TOS that will ensure that these hosts maintain a responsible and respectable reputation.

LiveJournal and Six Apart have taken a very important step. They chose to maintain accountability for the content placed on their sites. By setting this precedent, they have opened the door for other web hosting companies like Blogger/Google, Blog.com, Xanga, Wordpress, and others to follow in their footsteps.

Special thanks go out to Scott Kraft, the Executive Vice President of Marketing for Six Apart, and Denise Paolucci, the Manager of Customer Service for LiveJournal. They have both been very helpful.

__________________

Many LJ users have that have had their journals deleted are complaining to WFI that we targeted them and that we are on a witch hunt to shut down innocent sites.

To answer your questions and concerns, we do know what Lolita is and no, we did not report sites that are about Lolita fashion. Those sites were deleted by LJ because LJ (not WFI) chose to delete all sites with certain “interests” listed.

“Did it ever occur to you people that some of the people who have “incest” or “rape” in their interests are victims of said action?”

Yes, it did. We can tell the difference between a pedophile site and a survivor/support group site. And no, we did not ask for the survivor/support group sites to be deleted. We actually expressed our concern over keeping them up and running even though their interests may be listed as the same as a pedophile site.

You may find it easy to blame us for the deletion of these sites, but we are disturbed by their deletions as well. LJ is obviously trying to avoid accusations of discrimination by deleting all sites with specific interests listed. They made that decision, not WFI. Go ahead and point a finger at us. Call us vigilantes and idiots. Accuse us of banning or deleting you. But you forgot something. LJ is hosting your sites. It’s their call, not WFI’s.

I have no problem standing up and saying that yes, innocent journals were deleted by LJ. Yes it was done because I complained to LJ about pedophiles on their site. Yes, this has caused a lot of problems for a lot of people. And yes, I am sorry that there has been mass hysteria over this. But NO, we are not responsible. I will not take the blame for LJ enforcing their rules as they see fit. I may have been the catalyst, but I did not make the decisions for LJ. LJ can delete any journals that THEY view as containing objectionable content. Childish complaints that I “targeted” this journal, or that journal, are misplaced, and serve no purpose.

Many of you see us as wacky, unreliable, and misguided. You question the legality and legitimacy of what we do. You’ve threatened to turn us into the police and to call Quantico. You’ve threatened to sue us. You wonder who we are and what TOS we follow.

Well, here’s the scoop. We are Warriors For Innocence. We are not a non profit organization. We are a group of people who are sick and tired of pedophiles and child molesters hurting children and having a say on the internet without any type of accountability.

This site is a blog. It does not have a TOS. Being a group of people, we answer to the law and to ourselves. We do not break the law and we do not advocate breaking the law. For those of you who have been wondering, our Predator Barrier page is perfectly legal. Have you ever watched To Catch a Predator? Maybe you should.

Yes, we are working to clear out the RSO’s and predators on MySpace. We just don’t post about it.

“Can’t you people see that by attacking fandom journals, you’re driving the real pedophiles underground…”

No, that’s not the case. First of all, we didn’t attack fandom journals. Second, the “real pedophiles” are on many sites. They post on pedophile chat boards. They are on there now posting where their new sites are moving to. And yes, we will be following them, and we will be more proactive in the future at protecting ‘innocent’ sites.

There are sites where pedophiles are telling very young children that what their parents are teaching them is wrong, and that they should listen to pedophiles because they know what's best for them. That bad touch is not really bad just because your parent’s said so. This is dangerous to children.

There are sites that advocate the lowering of the age of consent for sex. They describe their encounters with small children and talk about how sexy the 5 year old was and how turned on they are when the child smiles at them.

They also post explicit child rape stories for the purpose of sexually arousing themselves and other pedophiles.

This is pedophilia. This is why we do what we do.



Their second public response:


Missing The Point
Since so many people continue to submit emotion-based complaints about how "awful" it is that LiveJournal has chosen to enforce their own terms of service, here's a few points to consider:

-Comment moderation is on; we're not deleting comments.

-We simply reported journals that contained objectionable and, in some cases, illegal content which clearly violated LJ's TOS.

-LJ deleted journals of THEIR choosing, in addition to the ones we reported.

-Readers/writers then began pointing the finger in every direction except toward those that CHOSE to violate LJ's TOS.

-Excuses galore have been pouring in, and heartfelt, "but I had been working on that journal for years," abound, while failing to acknowledge that they had not only not backed it up in years, but had been blatantly violating LJ's TOS for years.

-Claims have been made that we haven't "taken responsibility for" our actions. Yes; we have. We've clearly stated what we've done.

-Claims have been made that we're "hurting" the "legitimate" effort to fight pedophiles. How? By striving to ensure that their attempts to legitimize their sick ideas are not ignored by those that host them? Other claims that "law enforcement can't monitor them now" are baseless as well. They've already been reported to law enforcement, and those that make these claims are naive if they believe that LE cannot monitor these individuals simply because LJ has deleted their journals. Computer forensics has progressed by leaps and bounds in recent years.

Let the caterwauling and complaining continue; LJ has chosen to enforce rules that WERE ALREADY IN PLACE for all to see. "I finally got held accountable, and it's all your fault" won't fly here.


Comments

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[info]dativesingular wrote:
May. 30th, 2007 06:29 pm (UTC)
I don't even know what to say. MAYBE BECAUSE NONE OF IT MAKES SENSE!! And yeah, what's really infuriating me is that the thinspiration and "show your cuts" type communities remain unaffected.
[info]lizzie9208 wrote:
May. 30th, 2007 07:54 pm (UTC)
They targeted the wrong groups. The pro-eating disorders, pro-self abuse communities still exist but the Harry Potter fan fic site is deleted. It doesn't make sense.
[info]sunneyone wrote:
May. 30th, 2007 11:06 pm (UTC)
Maybe a group of us should rise up and complain about those.
[info]lizzie9208 wrote:
May. 30th, 2007 11:12 pm (UTC)
I mentioned it in my initial comment in the News post, here.
[info]sunneyone wrote:
May. 30th, 2007 11:26 pm (UTC)
I shoulda known you'd be right on top of it. :)
(Anonymous) wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 06:38 am (UTC)
dumb cow
they've probably just outsourced the job to china or india. so with no cultural context how are these people supposed to know the difference between a rape survivor nd one promoting rape?

anyway who gives a crap? it was a free website - get over it
[info]lizzie9208 wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 09:50 pm (UTC)
Re: dumb cow
Livejournal isn't free to everyone. Some people pay for their use- I've maintained a paid account for nearly six years now, in addition to paying for several friends LJs and communities. Also, Livejournal has ads on the site that generates revenue. If you're a "plus" account user, you choose to see those ads (and possibly click on them!), thereby earning money for Livejournal. It's an open-source program, but they work to earn money just like any other company.
[info]ganimede wrote:
May. 30th, 2007 06:59 pm (UTC)
Apparently there were rumours of this starting a few days ago, but the LJ team denied them. If they'd been upfront about it then, some of the innocent journals could have been saved by amending their interests and bios.

As for the stricter TOS, I believe that came into force when Six Apart took over, it was nothing to do with this group at all.
[info]lizzie9208 wrote:
May. 30th, 2007 07:50 pm (UTC)
Six Apart took over awhile ago, though. If this was a direct result of SA, it should have happened sooner, yes? Why now? And if Warriors of Innocence had nothing to do with it, why are they saying that they did?
[info]ganimede wrote:
May. 30th, 2007 08:03 pm (UTC)
It wasn't a direct result of 6A. As far as I can gather, what happened was this group - who aren't a legal organisation and seem to be a couple of people with nothing better to do (exhibit 1) - contacted 6A and threatened to let their advertisers know that LJ was full of paedophiles.

In the first public response from WfI, they say "LiveJournal has revised their Terms Of Service (TOS) to include new standards that will ensure that they protect the safety and well-being of everyone who visits LiveJournal." It makes it sound like this was a result of their complaints, but it's not. It came in with 6A. They're taking credit for something that they had nothing to do with.

Eugh, I've read so much about this that my head is spinning! I hope that makes some sense!
[info]lizzie9208 wrote:
May. 30th, 2007 10:07 pm (UTC)
Yup, that makes sense. :-) I understand what you're saying now. The stupid Warriors had nothing to do with the TOS- they just requested that LJ enforce it and LJ went overboard with it.
[info]ganimede wrote:
May. 30th, 2007 10:12 pm (UTC)
Well, they blackmailed them really. It's all about the money isn't it? The money that 6A is getting from the adverts, as if our money for our paid accounts isn't enough. I was thinking of getting a permanent account when they're on sale next month, but I don't think I'll bother now.
[info]lizzie9208 wrote:
May. 30th, 2007 11:20 pm (UTC)
I was thinking about getting a permanant account, too. After all, this is where Dustin and I met. I would love to have that permanant...but now...I've lost trust in LJ.
[info]jesterneko wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 03:55 am (UTC)
i wouldn't get a perm account here if it was $1. i signed some petition saying so, because it took 5 seconds, and if this isn't fixed asap, i'm moving to Xanga.

god forbid. ugh.
[info]watchmebe wrote:
May. 30th, 2007 07:04 pm (UTC)
Ugh. I feel like I need to start backing up my lj weekly now. Their heart was in the right place (both WFI and LJ's), but the way they went about it was all wrong.
[info]lizzie9208 wrote:
May. 30th, 2007 07:47 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I agree. Their heart was in the right place, but they totally went overboard.

There's a LJ backup tool somewhere on LJ. It's pretty handy for backing up both your entries and all comments to your entries.
[info]shylittlesoul wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 10:01 pm (UTC)
...there's a backup tool? I never knew that. I wondered what the author meant in the response when they said "while failing to back up their journal for years..."

:-/ guess i'm going to have to go find that now... i've got life events cataloged in my journal here that aren't written anywhere else. :-(

[info]lizzie9208 wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 10:38 pm (UTC)
[info]shylittlesoul wrote:
Jun. 1st, 2007 05:04 pm (UTC)
thank you for the link - backing up mental mushiness shall commence at any moment :)
[info]mlfoley wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 07:13 am (UTC)
(here from digg)

WFI's heart was not in the right place. They are in fact a homophobic group of bigoted right-wingers.
[info]lizzie9208 wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 09:56 pm (UTC)
I believe that WFI's desire was to stop child predators. However, they aren't as innocent as they make themselves out to be. That link you pointed to shows that, unfortunately, they're just as bad as people who look at child porn, in some respects. People who are bigoted and have that much hate in their system... it's just not right.

What bothers me the most is that Livejournal took their information as Word From God and Made It So- taking a bunch of innocent journals down with the guilty. Livejournal shouldn't have been so quick to suspend people and communities. They should have evaluated each on an individual basis to determine whether or not they actually belong to child predators or communities with the goal of harming children. Instead, Livejournal seemed to have just make a code rule to suspend any journal with the words of "incest," "child porn," and "rape" without taking into account what INTERESTS actually mean- some of those interests mean that people are rape or incest survivors, or that people write fanfic between two underage Harry Potter characters. That is what disgusts me so much- that Livejournal would act so irrationally and then it took them quite a long time to come up with an official response.
[info]swingkitten9 wrote:
May. 30th, 2007 07:25 pm (UTC)
Ugh.
[info]jesterneko wrote:
May. 30th, 2007 08:18 pm (UTC)
this makes me want to go back to Open Diary. good lord.
[info]melonaise wrote:
May. 30th, 2007 11:17 pm (UTC)
Sigh. It's all so very, very annoying.
[info]lizzie9208 wrote:
May. 30th, 2007 11:19 pm (UTC)
lol, your icon is great.

Yes, very very annoying. And I wasn't even a member of any of those communities!
[info]melonaise wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 03:54 am (UTC)
I was a watcher of [info]pornish_pixies, and they were in the middle of Fantasy Fest which is where they let people submit fantasies, and some amazing artists and writers pick fantasies that strike their interest and fulfill them. Last year I had mine picked, and was hopefuly for this year, but now it's all ruined. *pout*

There are many things written in fanfic communities that many people would find distasteful-- and the idea that other people "get off" on such stories, repulsive. But being ugly or gross doesn't mean something is illegal or even immoral.
[info]kakaze wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 04:50 am (UTC)
Hey Lizzie...did you know you made the front page of Digg?
[info]shroomface wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 05:23 am (UTC)
funny seeing you here :] was about to post the same comment!
[info]kakaze wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 05:30 am (UTC)
GMTA :-D
[info]lizzie9208 wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 12:27 pm (UTC)
ha ha, nope. I know my friend [info]scottique put this on Digg, but last time I looked at it, it only had a few diggs. lol :-)
[info]kakaze wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 09:41 pm (UTC)
Last night I saw 3 or 4 front page stories about the strikethrough.

Last I saw you had, I think, over 400 diggs.
[info]lizzie9208 wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 09:48 pm (UTC)
I just looked and I have 899. lol When I woke up this morning and had all these comments, I figured I better keep this post updated and started editing it.
[info]kakaze wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 10:08 pm (UTC)
Heh...it seems like everything's mostly over now, isn't it?
[info]novionsolarius wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 04:53 am (UTC)
Warriors of innocence, or ignorance?
[info]lizzie9208 wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 09:57 pm (UTC)
I vote for ignorance. ;-)
(Anonymous) wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 05:04 am (UTC)
The self-righteous strike again!
Gotta love the response of WFI. 'We started it, but the result wasn't our fault'.

Hmmmm, so by their logic, I can go around throwing lit matches into piles of leaves, but when "Smokey the Bear" shows up I can tell him "yeah I lit the match and threw it in, but the forest fire wasn't my fault".

What's really funny, is if you read their statements, they can't seem to decide if they want to take the credit or not.

Leave it to the self-righteous zealots to throw logic completely out the window. I mean who needs logic when you've got conviction right?

And, a little message to livejournal... if you don't have the legal expertise to handle this kind of situation, than you should consider getting a competent lawyer... any business that bows down to some lame watchdog group, deserves to go out of business.
[info]jellynuttz wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 05:05 am (UTC)
There is no doubt some abuse on journals but this heavy handedness does not work. just ask Digg who officially jumped the shark a little while back..

what adults do in private is none of somebody elses business.. In fact groups the promote cencorship are often worse that those they oppose.

As i recall God gave man free will..who gives groups the power to take that freedom away.. please show me the passage and what that tainted by the pope in years past or changed in the writing of the king james VERSION.

if there are any pedo's floating around. I would hope they would crawl under a rock or something.
[info]iamtheothers wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 05:36 am (UTC)
i think i'm a little obessed with this mess now. damn it's so fucking crazy.
(Anonymous) wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 05:58 am (UTC)
get a life
You all need a life. i think there is far more important crap going on then some stupid journal about some "Emo" who cant handle life's trials.
[info]lizzie9208 wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 12:33 pm (UTC)
Re: get a life
They aren't all stupid journals that got deleted, though. Some of them were, I'll give you that much. But some of the deleted journals were communities set up to help rape or incest victims. That's not "emo" at all.
(Anonymous) wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 06:18 am (UTC)
Third (?) public comment from LiveJournal.
Anil Dash replies to a MetaFilter post about this (http://www.metafilter.com/61636/livejournal-suspends-hundreds-of-accounts#1712054).
[info]binaryhero wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 08:02 am (UTC)
Well, I never really liked fanfic, and I'm not a Harry Potter fan. I also don't like Marvel comics. I am going to write to livejournal/Six Apart linking Harry Potter and Marvel comics to murder and gang behaviour - things that violate the TOS, and just wait for them to go down. This could be one of the most powerful tools in any Livejournal troll's arsenal.

The thing is, the idea behind it is flawed. If you go after pedophiles on the internet, without the backing of law enforcement, they are just going to get better at hiding. I agree with the sentiment - getting rid of people who openly break the law, but Six Apart were far too heavy handed in this approach.
(Anonymous) wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 08:20 am (UTC)
Stop whining
I'm willing to bet that some of the most vocal complainers are those that are among the same lot of people that just click "Agree" or "Okay" when they install software without reading the terms. They sign contracts without reading it first, or start some service after tuning out the phone agent reading them the agreements... The TOS has always been there to read. Regardless of whether or not you realize it, you agreed to the terms and that you understood a deletion for any reason could happen. Shut up and grow up.
[info]mesila wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 08:24 am (UTC)
Busybodies
Words fail.

WARRIORS FOR INNOCENCE? What kind of organisation calls itself WARRIORS for INNOCENCE? In a time when freedom of speech slides away from Americans more and more I cannot say your busybody actions are agreed with by me. I think everyone ought to add the words as a protest.

I mean, come ON.

It's one thing to put the slam on a site with naked pictures of nine year olds but YOU WENT WAY too far, and unfortunately so did LJ. I have faith in them that this will be corrected; if not, wordpress awaits me.
[info]shanoaravendare wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 01:47 pm (UTC)
The Digg army sent me
I can't believe this is happening! Innocent sites deleted and those life ruining, dangerous communities that promote eating disorders and self mutilation are still up!

And they didn't even give any warning, which really bothers me. What is wrong with the people in charge at LJ.

I would have missed this entire thing if someone hadn't dugg it. I'm glad I read digg.

Now, what can we do about this situation, beside complain?
[info]lizzie9208 wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 01:58 pm (UTC)
How to show LJ that you're still upset:
If you haven't read it already, read the latest News post here which explains how LJ fucked up and how they're going to rectify their mistakes.

There are several ways to show your displeasure in their rash decision of suspending users and communities so quickly and without warning:
1) if you have a paid account, let them know that you aren't going to renew it/aren't going to buy any "extras" or a permanent account.
2) if you're a plus member, degrade your account to a free account- plus members, while still free for you, give them dollars through advertisements.
3) Feel free to send them e-mails at feedback@livejournal.com, support@livejournal.com, and ljabuse@livejournal.com.
4) You can also call them (415) 344-0056. If you wait on the line (ie, don't press 2 for Livejournal support) or press 0, you'll get a voicemail where you can leave a message.
[info]tellute wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 02:56 pm (UTC)
Via Digg too
I'm not aware of a single rape or incest survivor community being affected by this.

Everyone that's upset seems to be saying this has happened, but nobody can name a support/survivor community that's been suspended.
(Anonymous) wrote:
May. 31st, 2007 05:30 pm (UTC)
WOW
anyhow.. i feel that doing this without notice to the users will only enrage such users to do worse... although all this is done with good intentions
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